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		<title>How to integrate App-V with SCCM without losing the features you care about</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Reeuwijk</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most anticipated features of SCCM 2007 R2 is &#8220;App-V Integration&#8221;. We have recently tested the end-to-end scenario for this integration and we can say with confidence: it BLOWS . In a nutshell, by integrating App-V with SCCM you lose App-V&#8217;s best features and reduce the solution to something that&#8217;s even worse than [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most anticipated features of SCCM 2007 R2 is &#8220;App-V Integration&#8221;. We have recently tested the end-to-end scenario for this integration and we can say with confidence: it BLOWS <span style="Wingdings"> <img src='http://www.buit.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </span>. In a nutshell, by integrating App-V with SCCM you lose App-V&#8217;s best features and reduce the solution to something that&#8217;s even worse than SCCM by itself!</p>
<p>So what happens when you enable the App-V/SCCM integration feature in the SCCM Management Console?</p>
<ul>
<li>Control of the App-V client is seized by the SCCM client. If you had App-V running on its own before you enabled the integration, you&#8217;ll notice that all App-V apps that are published through App-V&#8217;s Publishing Server are now rendered invalid. On launch you&#8217;ll get a &#8220;Unable to initialize package information (0×00000000)&#8221; error.</li>
<li>You must now publish your App-V apps through SCCM as &#8220;Virtual Application Packages&#8221;. This works by importing the .XML file of the App-V package. SCCM will distribute the packages to its Distribution Points and you can enable those Distribution Points for HTTP(S) streaming.</li>
<li>To get the App-V apps to your clients, you&#8217;ll have to create SCCM advertisements. Basically SCCM advertisements replace the App-V Publishing Server. The behavior of getting App-V apps to your desktop now becomes eerily similar to SCCM&#8217;s way of installing applications. No more getting your shortcuts immediately upon logon (like you get with App-V); you will have to go get a cup of coffee and hope that SCCM is willing to give you your apps today.</li>
<li>If you created non-mandatory assignments, then you&#8217;ll have to go to Add/Remove Programs yourself and click &#8220;Run&#8221; for all the apps that you want. However clicking &#8220;Run&#8221; doesn&#8217;t actually run your app, it only registers the App-V app with the local App-V client. Don&#8217;t expect to see any progress bar or visual feedback that the registration actually happened; just keep scouring around in your Start Menu in hope of finding the shortcuts for your new app.</li>
<li>If you created mandatory assignments, you&#8217;ll get one or more notifications from SCCM (after some time ofcourse) that SCCM has App-V apps for you that it would like to register with the local App-V client. It will do that on *every* desktop you logon to. Prepare to spend quite a bit of quality time with the SCCM Client…</li>
<li>If you&#8217;re using either Windows Terminal Services or Fast User Switching in Vista, you&#8217;re SOL because the SCCM Client is allergic to terminal sessions. You&#8217;ll get a message telling you that &#8220;No programs are available to run from a Terminal Services session&#8221;. How nice. If you happen to be running the console session, you won&#8217;t notice this limitation because at the console session, everything works just fine. So make sure you also test your solution via a terminal session so you won&#8217;t get caught by surprise.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>As a result of the findings described above, we were pretty disappointed with the solution and decided to reverse our decision to integrate App-V with SCCM. However we did like the idea of using SCCM Distribution Points to stream App-V apps from. So we had a go at doing a manual integration of App-V with SCCM so that we could use just the SCCM parts we wanted. The idea was inspired by <a href="http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/timmangan/archive/2008/11/23/the-best-of-two-worlds-in-app-v.aspx">Tim Mangan&#8217;s article</a> which included this diagram:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.buit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/021309-1903-howtointegr1.png" alt="" /></p>
<p> </p>
<p>In his article he never got around to actually testing if it was possible to stream an application that was published by App-V&#8217;s Publishing Server from an SCCM Distribution Point. He only verified that is was possible to install the App-V app through an MSI with SCCM. So we ventured to get HTTP streaming working against SCCM Distribution Points, with the shortcuts still being provided by an App-V Publishing Server. In a nutshell: it works! You do have to setup a few mechanisms to get load balancing working though.</p>
<p>Here is how it works:</p>
<ul>
<li>First and foremost: <span style="underline">disable</span> the App-V integration with SCCM. To do this, go to the <em>SCCM Console <span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span> Site Database <span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span> Site Management <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> &lt;Site&gt; <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Site Settings <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Client Agents <span style="Wingdings">-&gt; </span>Advertised Programs Client Agent <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Properties</em> and make sure &#8220;Allow virtual application package advertisement&#8221; is NOT selected.</li>
<li>Enable your SCCM Distribution Points for BITS, HTTP and HTTPS content transfer. To do this, go to the <em>SCCM Console <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Site Database <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Site Management <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> &lt;Site&gt; <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Site Settings <span style="Wingdings">-&gt; </span>Site Systems <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> &lt;your DP&gt; <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> ConfigMgr distribution point <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Properties</em> and select &#8220;Allow clients to transfer content from this distribution point using BITS, HTTP and HTTPS&#8221;.</li>
<li>We found that (at least in the RTM version of SCCM 2007 R2) you don&#8217;t have to enable &#8220;virtual application streaming&#8221; on the &#8220;Virtual Applications&#8221; tab of the distribution point to be able to stream from a SCCM DP when using our manual integration. The added benefit of this is that you can now also use Secondary Site DP&#8217;s as streaming servers!</li>
<li>Set up an App-V Management Server on any server you like. You can even set it up on a SCCM server, it doesn&#8217;t matter. Use the default installation settings for the entire installation. After installation, set the Default Content Path to the following: <em>http://%SFT_SOFTGRIDSERVER%</em></li>
<li>
<div>Add an App-V package to SCCM for distribution and streaming:</div>
<ul>
<li>Go to the <em>SCCM Console <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Site Database <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Computer Management <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Software Distribution <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Packages<span style="Wingdings"> <span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> New <span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Package</em>. Enter the information about your package and click Next. Select &#8220;This package contains source files&#8221; and set the Source Directory to the location of your App-V package and click Finish. Note that you import the App-V package as a normal SCCM package and NOT as a Virtual Application Package. Importing it as a Virtual Application Package will cause the .SFT file in the App-V package to be renamed and cause the .SFT file to be added to not 1 but 2 locations on each SCCM Distribution Point, doubling storage requirements.</li>
<li>When the package is added to SCCM, find the Package ID and use it to update the streaming location in the App-V OSD files. For each OSD file in your App-V package, update the HREF statement to HTTP://%SFT_SOFTGRIDSERVER%/SMS_DP$/SMSPKG/&lt;<em>your SCCM Package ID</em>&gt;/&lt;<em>name of your SFT file</em>&gt;<br />
(If you are using a File Share Distribution Point, the IIS vdir may be different than SMS_DP$. Verify the vdir name in IIS Manager and ensure that all DP&#8217;s are either standard DP&#8217;s or File Share DP&#8217;s.)</li>
<li>Now add some SCCM Distribution Points to your package so that SCCM can distribute the App-V content</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
<div>Import the same App-V package into the App-V Management Server so that you can distribute the shortcuts and set permissions:</div>
<ul>
<li>On the App-V Management Server, go to the App-V Management Console, go to <em>Applications</em><br />
<em><span style="Wingdings"><span style="Wingdings">-&gt;</span></span> Import Application</em> and go to the same App-V package folder. Select the .SPRJ file and click Open. Perform your regular App-V import steps and finish the import.</li>
<li>The imported applications in the App-V Management Console should now show the correct http:// paths to both the OSD file(s) and the SFT file(s).</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>That&#8217;s it! Now just configure your App-V Clients on the desktops to use your newly setup App-V Management Server by configuring a Publishing Server and use Group Policy to set the %SFT_SOFTGRIDSERVER% to the name of a SCCM Distribution Point nearby. We set this variable to DNS name that uses DNS Round Robin to distribute the load to multiple DP&#8217;s.</li>
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