Comments on: Get rid of SPAM with SMTP authentication (updated) http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/ Innovative Technology presented by Innovative People Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:57:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Innovative Technology Weblog » Postmarking: the fight againt SPAM continues http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/comment-page-1/#comment-16902 Innovative Technology Weblog » Postmarking: the fight againt SPAM continues Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:32:16 +0000 http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/#comment-16902 [...] rather put my money on the mail server initiatives like DKIM, SMTP authentication, EmailXT and [...] [...] rather put my money on the mail server initiatives like DKIM, SMTP authentication, EmailXT and [...]

]]> By: Andy Silva http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Andy Silva Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:28:01 +0000 http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/#comment-33 Paul, EmailXT can easily work on a web-based setup. The only difference is that your encryption key remains in posession of your webmail provider, which is not a problem for most folks. EmailXT features encryption much like PGP, but is much easier to use since there are a few pre-defined key exchange rules that the EmailXT client takes care of. I agree that spam will disappear if everybody agrees to not buy from spammers. However: - An "internet sucker" is born every day. - Most people have difficulty separating spam from "ham" This is a vicious cycle. Like people progressively moved to IM, EmailXT adopters will make others, including all those "spam suckers", move towards a system that will prevent them to have access to spam and consequently prevent them from buying anything. AS Paul,

EmailXT can easily work on a web-based setup. The only difference is that your encryption key remains in posession of your webmail provider, which is not a problem for most folks.

EmailXT features encryption much like PGP, but is much easier to use since there are a few pre-defined key exchange rules that the EmailXT client takes care of.

I agree that spam will disappear if everybody agrees to not buy from spammers. However:

- An “internet sucker” is born every day.
- Most people have difficulty separating spam from “ham”

This is a vicious cycle. Like people progressively moved to IM, EmailXT adopters will make others, including all those “spam suckers”, move towards a system that will prevent them to have access to spam and consequently prevent them from buying anything.
AS

]]> By: PSlijkhuis http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/comment-page-1/#comment-32 PSlijkhuis Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:20:20 +0000 http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/#comment-32 EmailXT looks promising. Unfortunately the client/server approach ia tanning with the web 2.0 initiatives. It is all web based now. For the moment I think we will have to rely on the spam filtering approach from our providers. On the other hand we should not punnish the good by adding extra software (certificates, private mailn communities, email extenders, etc), but ban the bad. What ever happened with PGP for example? This may become a success though when integration is established with existing communities like instant messaging, blogs, newsgroups, etc. Of course SPAM is will disappear very quickly if everybody agrees to not click on any SPAM related email anymore. The companies behind will simply abandon email when there is no money to make. - Paul EmailXT looks promising. Unfortunately the client/server approach ia tanning with the web 2.0 initiatives. It is all web based now. For the moment I think we will have to rely on the spam filtering approach from our providers.

On the other hand we should not punnish the good by adding extra software (certificates, private mailn communities, email extenders, etc), but ban the bad. What ever happened with PGP for example?

This may become a success though when integration is established with existing communities like instant messaging, blogs, newsgroups, etc.

Of course SPAM is will disappear very quickly if everybody agrees to not click on any SPAM related email anymore. The companies behind will simply abandon email when there is no money to make.

- Paul

]]> By: Andy Silva http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Andy Silva Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:08:49 +0000 http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/#comment-31 What we really need is to change the email protocol. Now everybody comes shouting at me saying that that is impossible because that would require cooperation from everybody at once. Actually that is not true. It depends on which approach we are talking about. For instance, EmailXT is the only proposal I know that does not require everybody moving from email as we know it to a new system. With EmailXT, two persons are enough to make it work. Let's say you want to correspond with your mom but you want her to be shielded from spam and viruses: You install the EmailXT client on both computers, set it up, and you can then seamlessly send emails over the current email infrastructure, but immune from the current threats. Then you start recruiting your friends and co-workers. Progressively we will have people switching from the old email system to the new one, and in a near future everybody has moved, without much hassles or effort. Then everybody comes shouting again saying : "When everybody starts using EmailXT, the old problems return". Of course that wouldn't be true since EmailXT is not like today's email. It is built on relationships and encryption, and unsolicited bulk emailing is no longer possible. Well, enough ranting. For those interested, http://www.emailxt.com . Not affiliated but I really like the concept. AS What we really need is to change the email protocol. Now everybody comes shouting at me saying that that is impossible because that would require cooperation from everybody at once. Actually that is not true. It depends on which approach we are talking about.

For instance, EmailXT is the only proposal I know that does not require everybody moving from email as we know it to a new system. With EmailXT, two persons are enough to make it work. Let’s say you want to correspond with your mom but you want her to be shielded from spam and viruses: You install the EmailXT client on both computers, set it up, and you can then seamlessly send emails over the current email infrastructure, but immune from the current threats. Then you start recruiting your friends and co-workers. Progressively we will have people switching from the old email system to the new one, and in a near future everybody has moved, without much hassles or effort.

Then everybody comes shouting again saying : “When everybody starts using EmailXT, the old problems return”. Of course that wouldn’t be true since EmailXT is not like today’s email. It is built on relationships and encryption, and unsolicited bulk emailing is no longer possible.

Well, enough ranting. For those interested, http://www.emailxt.com . Not affiliated but I really like the concept.
AS

]]> By: Stefan Stranger http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Stefan Stranger Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:03:51 +0000 http://www.buit.org/2007/05/25/get-rid-of-spam-with-smtp-authentication/#comment-30 On microsoft download you can find an article about how creating your own SPF Record. This is a step-by-step guide to create your own SPF record, and learn valuable tips for implementing the Sender ID Framework. Go to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=b7ce1cac-d884-4216-82fe-379f875663ff&displaylang=en Regards, Stefan On microsoft download you can find an article about how creating your own SPF Record. This is a step-by-step guide to create your own SPF record, and learn valuable tips for implementing the Sender ID Framework.

Go to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=b7ce1cac-d884-4216-82fe-379f875663ff&displaylang=en

Regards,
Stefan

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